[MLA] Not either or

[Bob Katz]

I think that background listeners playing background music at low level 
would prefer track normalization. I would in that case as the softer 
tracks become non-viable.

Given that I believe that Tidal listeners are more critical doing 
foreground listening, that track normalization is not as urgent a 
requirement as it would be with Spotify, Apple, etc.

I have no idea how to tell listeners how to specify mode, but if I were 
trying to make life easier like Apple attempts to do I would not give 
them that advice, I would try to estimate what kind of a listener they 
are based on the SPL they are listening at. So some form of a smart 
player would be necessary. It's probably impractical to implement, but I 
can dream, if the computer uses its internal microphone to judge the 
loudness of the music being played versus the noise of the room, it 
could judge whether to use track or album normalization.

Since that's currently science fiction, I have not easy idea on how to 
present the options to the user. No matter how you do it, it will be 
confusing. Beta test. Beta test Beta test. Refine. Refine Refine.

Bob



On 12/12/17 10:34 AM, Kevin Gross wrote:
> You've read Eelco's paper right? Aside from the fact that album worked 
> best subjectively for normal and corner cases, one practical issue is 
> that if you include an album/track option for users you should explain 
> what it is for. I'm curious what advice you would give to users on 
> selecting mode. You say track normalization is better in some cases. 
> What cases are those exactly?
>
> Kevin Gross - AVA Networks
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:56 AM, Thomas Lund <thomas at lund.one 
> <mailto:thomas at lund.one>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     We have had some discussions after it became clear Tidal's system
>     didn’t support Loudness-normalization based both on Track and
>     Album; so they are stuck with the latter for now. If we jump to
>     conclusions, more companies this group is used to advise, may find
>     themselves taking one step forward and two backwards.
>
>     For some applications, Track norm is better, for other
>     applications Album norm should be preferred. It’s bad advice to
>     impose an either/or decision, and in this case it might have
>     ramifications for Tidal’s capability to comply with certain
>     requirements or new track search criteria.
>
>     Careful and unbiased guidance in these matters will better stand
>     the test of time.
>
>     Best regards,
>     Thomas
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