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<p>I think that background listeners playing background music at low
level would prefer track normalization. I would in that case as
the softer tracks become non-viable. <br>
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<p>Given that I believe that Tidal listeners are more critical doing
foreground listening, that track normalization is not as urgent a
requirement as it would be with Spotify, Apple, etc. <br>
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<p>I have no idea how to tell listeners how to specify mode, but if
I were trying to make life easier like Apple attempts to do I
would not give them that advice, I would try to estimate what kind
of a listener they are based on the SPL they are listening at. So
some form of a smart player would be necessary. It's probably
impractical to implement, but I can dream, if the computer uses
its internal microphone to judge the loudness of the music being
played versus the noise of the room, it could judge whether to use
track or album normalization.</p>
<p>Since that's currently science fiction, I have not easy idea on
how to present the options to the user. No matter how you do it,
it will be confusing. Beta test. Beta test Beta test. Refine.
Refine Refine. <br>
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<p>Bob</p>
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<div dir="ltr">You've read Eelco's paper right? Aside from the
fact that album worked best subjectively for normal and corner
cases, one practical issue is that if you include an album/track
option for users you should explain what it is for. I'm curious
what advice you would give to users on selecting mode. You say
track normalization is better in some cases. What cases are
those exactly?
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:56 AM,
Thomas Lund <span dir="ltr"><<a
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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We have had some discussions after it became clear Tidal's
system didn’t support Loudness-normalization based both on
Track and Album; so they are stuck with the latter for
now. If we jump to conclusions, more companies this group
is used to advise, may find themselves taking one step
forward and two backwards.<br>
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For some applications, Track norm is better, for other
applications Album norm should be preferred. It’s bad
advice to impose an either/or decision, and in this case
it might have ramifications for Tidal’s capability to
comply with certain requirements or new track search
criteria.<br>
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Careful and unbiased guidance in these matters will better
stand the test of time.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Thomas<br>
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