[MLA] Interesting info about Spotify normalization

[Kevin Gross]

There was a crappy limiter in the iPod and slightly less crappy one in
iTunes both were part of Sound Check. Clearly that's stale information.
What's the current Apple situation?

Kevin Gross - AVA Networks

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Ian Shepherd <ian at mastering-media.co.uk>
wrote:

>
> > The other thing that may be related, or not, is that we know many
> streaming services are doing some sort of limiting
>
> Actually only Spotify is applying limiting at the moment, to the best of
> my knowledge.
>
> > It might be good to put together some technical recommendations to avoid
> nasty limiter implementation and tuning. If it's gonna happen, and it's
> happening, it might as well be done right
>
> Personally I think we should only discourage it from happening, but fwiw
> one of the AES groups has already created a freely available limiter for
> the purpose of achieving certain loudness targets (eg. -16 LUFS from a -23
> LUFS source) I believe. I haven’t tried it out, though.
>
> My point being, the horse may already have bolted in this case. I
> certainly agree that MLA could make a very positive future contribution by
> describing the best way noisy environments can be handled in portable
> players, though.
>
> Personally I’ve found that top-down limiting has NO benefit in noisy
> environments, in fact it has a detrimental effect - the “blunting” of
> transients and removal of detail makes things less intelligible, not more.
>
> Ian
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