[MLA] MLA web site

Bob Katz bobkatz at digido.com
Tue Nov 14 18:21:58 CET 2017 

If you want an amateur to build the site and "secure" it, no skin off my 
back. There's no reason to pay Weebly or Squarespace because we already 
have a site and I offer it free to the MLA. , and we're saving money 
because I'm already paying the fees for the MLA. Just don't come back 
with your tails between your legs if the site gets hacked or it isn't 
supported adequately. All we need is design, maintenance and security.

Hosting is hosting. Hosting is not security. Read the fine print at 
Weebly and Squarespace. I'll bet they supply the site and maybe a 
wordpress instance. But I'll also bet If you go into the site and start 
playing with it, then you're responsible for its security and maintenance!

If the guy we "hire" doesn't know how to set up an empty wordpress 
instance himself, then he shouldn't be hired. That should be the minimum 
requirement for technical competence. I'll provide the site, the dns and 
the subdomain for staging, and any passwords or access codes that he or 
she needs. I can even make an empty wordpress instance on our domain, 
but it would not give me confidence to discover I had to do it because 
the guy we "hire" couldn't do it himself!


Bob



On 11/14/17 11:18 AM, Kevin Gross wrote:
> Hosting is a problem if hosting with you requires we engage a 
> professional to secure the site. Can you set us up an empty Wordpress 
> instance, have it backed up reliably and give Eelco access so that he 
> can get his student volunteers to populate it for us? If you're not 
> comfortable with this, and I'm not expecting you would be, I'm not 
> sure I would be, we should look at alternatives.
>
> Weebly does offer pro website hosting for $12/mo. Squarespace is 
> $18/mo. Presumably security and backup is taken care of for you on 
> these services. I think we should be able to scrape together the 
> $200/yr required to support this.
>
> Kevin Gross - AVA Networks
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Bob Katz <bobkatz at digido.com 
> <mailto:bobkatz at digido.com>> wrote:
>
>     Kevin. The site is not the problem! I continue to offer it to the
>     group for free. The DNS is already pointing. All those aspects
>     have been taken care of by me.
>
>     Once again: The issue is design, security and maintenance. Anyone
>     can design a wordpress site, but not everyone can offer security,
>     guaranteed maintenance and upkeep. It has to be a package.... you
>     can't have an amateur design it followed by a pro to maintain it.
>
>     So if we find someone who knows how to do it, I'll guide him or
>     her through the back end and even to the creation of a temporary
>     subdomain for staging. All that is not a problem. I have that
>     expertise and it's already being done for our site. I could set up
>     a wordpress instance as well but like everyone on this list, I am
>     an amateur. So we need design, maintenance and security. A
>     package. Or we'll be hacked soon as you're born, just like every
>     other amateur who sets up a wordpress site.
>
>     Let's not be naive: We need someone with expertise to make it
>     secure and to maintain it, keep all the mains and plugins up to
>     date. Not a month goes by without one of my plugins or wordpress
>     needing update. In many cases security issues come up and have to
>     be responded to rapidly. That is not something you want someone
>     casual to do. I'm very happy I have a pro maintaining those
>     aspects of my site for me, I wear too many hats and so does
>     everyone else on this list.
>
>     I know how to set up wordpress backups, that's not an issue. I am
>     already performing offsite backups using ftp to my local redundant
>     server and will ensure that our new wordpress site is adequately
>     backed up.
>
>
>     Bob
>
>
>
>     On 11/14/17 9:31 AM, Kevin Gross wrote:
>>     Can we agree that the first step here is to get an empty
>>     Wordpress instance set up somewhere and establish a security and
>>     maintenance plan for it?
>>
>>     I have room to do this for no additional cost at Hostmonster. I
>>     am no Wordpress expert but could set up a new empty instance
>>     based on the web-based systems provided by Hostmonster. I am not
>>     watching things like a hawk so it could get toasted again. But
>>     Hostmonster does regular automatic backups for each account so it
>>     could be restored or rebuilt elsewhere from backups.
>>
>>     Kevin Gross - AVA Networks
>>
>>     On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Bob Katz <bobkatz at digido.com
>>     <mailto:bobkatz at digido.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear Eelco. Ultimately a professional is the best solution
>>         but my guy is too expensive for us I think. I'm paying around
>>         $500 a year for his maintenance and a few thousand for the
>>         initial design.
>>
>>         My site runs on a highly-customized WordPress. We do have
>>         Wordfence running but I'm not a security expert. I do know
>>         there was more to our security, including capcha, and on my
>>         host I am running extra security. I have full access to the
>>         back-end and I have space for backup and am willing with our
>>         group to contribute to the cost of some necessary plugins,
>>         including updraft pro and maybe a few others.
>>
>>         I advise if you/we can find a very astute student volunteer
>>         who likes audio and our goals, who is not into cookie cutter
>>         templates, who understands PHP and has experience with
>>         security. Those would be the economical ingredients. If
>>         he/she will keep the WordPress up and up to date as a
>>         volunteer then we ask a group can volunteer to maintain the
>>         articles. That's all I ask.
>>
>>         I pay for the site and I host the domain. I pay for the
>>         domain. I'm more than happy to contribute to articles, but I
>>         have to draw the line before site design, maintenance and
>>         security. For that we must choose a pro or a pro equivalent,
>>         wisely and economically.
>>
>>         Ian, I devised the original site in Joomla and then we got
>>         hacked because I was not maintaining the joomla. I'm through
>>         with Joomla. I would not advise using the way back machine or
>>         even my stored backup (if I could find it) because more
>>         people are into WordPress these days and Joomla or Drupal are
>>         long in the tooth. As Eelco points out, a good looking site
>>         in WordPress can be put up in no time. We just want a pro or
>>         a competent geek student to put it up, make it secure and
>>         keep it secure.
>>
>>         Are you watching over the back end of your site like a hawk,
>>         Ian?  Personally I feel quite a lot of peace of mind having
>>         my pro watch over my site for a measly $500 a year. But I
>>         think that's a bit too much for Music-Loudness to sustain,
>>         don't you?  Plus, my pro would not maintain a site he didn't
>>         design, which seems reasonable.
>>
>>         Reminds me of the old rate sheet:
>>
>>         $25 an hour if I do it
>>         $50 an hour if you watch
>>         $100 if I do it and you help
>>         $200 if you do it and I watch.
>>
>>         Does this help?
>>
>>
>>         Bob
>>
>>         My iPhone made me write this. Quotes only below this line.
>>         Nothing more to see here.
>>         ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>>         On Nov 13, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Ian Shepherd
>>         <ian at mastering-media.co.uk
>>         <mailto:ian at mastering-media.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>         Hi Bob,
>>>
>>>         All my sites (5 or 6) are running on Wordpress. I got hacked
>>>         several years ago so installed the free versions of
>>>         Wordfence and iThemes Security and have been secure ever
>>>         since. Maybe Eelco’s students would keep an eye on things
>>>         for us ?
>>>
>>>         Having said that, can we not pull the source code of the
>>>         original site from the Wayback Machine and re-install it ?
>>>
>>>         Ian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>         On 13 Nov 2017, at 23:27, Grimm | Eelco
>>>>         <eelco at grimmaudio.com <mailto:eelco at grimmaudio.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Hi Bob,
>>>>
>>>>         What do you suggest as solution? Is your current website
>>>>         based upon Wordpress or some other CMS? We could maybe ask
>>>>         your professional to maintain the MLA pages too - I'm
>>>>         willing to contribute to that.
>>>>
>>>>         Cheers,
>>>>         Eelco
>>>>
>>>>>         Guys. We have a domain, I've got control of it and I've
>>>>>         been paying for the domain renewals ever since we put it
>>>>>         up However, I cannot spend the time to update it or spiff
>>>>>         it up. If anyone would like to do the maintenance or
>>>>>         design on it, just let me know and I'll send you all the
>>>>>         particulars.
>>>>>
>>>>>         The thing about Wordpress is it needs constant maintenance
>>>>>         and the number of hackers and attacks have increased
>>>>>         tremendously. All the bad guys want to take down
>>>>>         vulnerable worpress sites. It takes more than just a
>>>>>         website, it takes knowledge and experience. Anyone can
>>>>>         write a wordpress site, but keeping it up is another
>>>>>         story. You need lots of good protections, a foolproof
>>>>>         .htaccess file, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>         That's why I have a professional maintaining my site.
>>>>>         Someone who spends every day pruning all the sites under
>>>>>         his control. There was a time when I would maintain a site
>>>>>         myself, but I realize that I wear too many hats already
>>>>>         and that I cannot possibly beat his knowledge and
>>>>>         expertise. To date, not one of his sites has ever been
>>>>>         hacked.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 11/11/17 4:48 PM, Grimm | Eelco wrote:
>>>>>>>         What can se do to get the MLA site back in a presentable
>>>>>>>         state? I am in the process of making contacts at tech
>>>>>>>         companies (Amazon, Google) to get loudness normalization
>>>>>>>         implemented in streaming services and am embarrassed to
>>>>>>>         refer my contacts to our website - music-loudness.com
>>>>>>>         <http://music-loudness.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Students of mine have build this site in just a day with
>>>>>>         a Wordpress template: http://tripleacompany.nl
>>>>>>         <http://tripleacompany.nl/> (it is for a 'virtual
>>>>>>         company' that they are running as a group proejct in
>>>>>>         their graduate year).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         I could ask if they are willing to make something like
>>>>>>         this for us. But we need a domain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Cheers,
>>>>>>         Eelco
>>>>>>
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