[MLA] MLA web site

Tue Nov 14 18:33:19 CET 2017

Yes, I was proposing an amateur build the site. Security would be
accomplished by a good backup that we can quickly restore from. If no one
thinks this is a workable idea, I'm happy to move on. Despite potential
bugaboos in the fine print, my second choice would be something like Weebly
or Squarespace. My understanding is these are a bit more than a
Wordpress instance.

Kevin Gross - AVA Networks

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Bob Katz <bobkatz at digido.com> wrote:

> If you want an amateur to build the site and "secure" it, no skin off my
> back. There's no reason to pay Weebly or Squarespace because we already
> have a site and I offer it free to the MLA. , and we're saving money
> because I'm already paying the fees for the MLA. Just don't come back with
> your tails between your legs if the site gets hacked or it isn't supported
> adequately. All we need is design, maintenance and security.
>
> Hosting is hosting. Hosting is not security. Read the fine print at Weebly
> and Squarespace. I'll bet they supply the site and maybe a wordpress
> instance. But I'll also bet If you go into the site and start playing with
> it, then you're responsible for its security and maintenance!
>
> If the guy we "hire" doesn't know how to set up an empty wordpress
> instance himself, then he shouldn't be hired. That should be the minimum
> requirement for technical competence. I'll provide the site, the dns and
> the subdomain for staging, and any passwords or access codes that he or she
> needs. I can even make an empty wordpress instance on our domain, but it
> would not give me confidence to discover I had to do it because the guy we
> "hire" couldn't do it himself!
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On 11/14/17 11:18 AM, Kevin Gross wrote:
>
> Hosting is a problem if hosting with you requires we engage a professional
> to secure the site. Can you set us up an empty Wordpress instance, have it
> backed up reliably and give Eelco access so that he can get his student
> volunteers to populate it for us? If you're not comfortable with this, and
> I'm not expecting you would be, I'm not sure I would be, we should look at
> alternatives.
>
> Weebly does offer pro website hosting for $12/mo. Squarespace is $18/mo.
> Presumably security and backup is taken care of for you on these services.
> I think we should be able to scrape together the $200/yr required to
> support this.
>
> Kevin Gross - AVA Networks
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Bob Katz <bobkatz at digido.com> wrote:
>
>> Kevin. The site is not the problem! I continue to offer it to the group
>> for free. The DNS is already pointing. All those aspects have been taken
>> care of by me.
>>
>> Once again: The issue is design, security and maintenance. Anyone can
>> design a wordpress site, but not everyone can offer security, guaranteed
>> maintenance and upkeep. It has to be a package.... you can't have an
>> amateur design it followed by a pro to maintain it.
>>
>> So if we find someone who knows how to do it, I'll guide him or her
>> through the back end and even to the creation of a temporary subdomain for
>> staging. All that is not a problem. I have that expertise and it's already
>> being done for our site. I could set up a wordpress instance as well but
>> like everyone on this list, I am an amateur. So we need design, maintenance
>> and security. A package. Or we'll be hacked soon as you're born, just like
>> every other amateur who sets up a wordpress site.
>> Let's not be naive: We need someone with expertise to make it secure and
>> to maintain it, keep all the mains and plugins up to date. Not a month goes
>> by without one of my plugins or wordpress needing update. In many cases
>> security issues come up and have to be responded to rapidly. That is not
>> something you want someone casual to do. I'm very happy I have a pro
>> maintaining those aspects of my site for me, I wear too many hats and so
>> does everyone else on this list.
>>
>> I know how to set up wordpress backups, that's not an issue. I am already
>> performing offsite backups using ftp to my local redundant server and will
>> ensure that our new wordpress site is adequately backed up.
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/17 9:31 AM, Kevin Gross wrote:
>>
>> Can we agree that the first step here is to get an empty Wordpress
>> instance set up somewhere and establish a security and maintenance plan for
>> it?
>>
>> I have room to do this for no additional cost at Hostmonster. I am no
>> Wordpress expert but could set up a new empty instance based on the
>> web-based systems provided by Hostmonster. I am not watching things like a
>> hawk so it could get toasted again. But Hostmonster does regular automatic
>> backups for each account so it could be restored or rebuilt elsewhere from
>> backups.
>>
>> Kevin Gross - AVA Networks
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Bob Katz <bobkatz at digido.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Eelco. Ultimately a professional is the best solution but my guy is
>>> too expensive for us I think. I'm paying around $500 a year for his
>>> maintenance and a few thousand for the initial design.
>>>
>>> My site runs on a highly-customized WordPress. We do have Wordfence
>>> running but I'm not a security expert. I do know there was more to our
>>> security, including capcha, and on my host I am running extra security. I
>>> have full access to the back-end and I have space for backup and am willing
>>> with our group to contribute to the cost of some necessary plugins,
>>> including updraft pro and maybe a few others.
>>>
>>> I advise if you/we can find a very astute student volunteer who likes
>>> audio and our goals, who is not into cookie cutter templates, who
>>> understands PHP and has experience with security. Those would be the
>>> economical ingredients. If he/she will keep the WordPress up and up to date
>>> as a volunteer then we ask a group can volunteer to maintain the articles.
>>> That's all I ask.
>>>
>>> I pay for the site and I host the domain. I pay for the domain. I'm more
>>> than happy to contribute to articles, but I have to draw the line before
>>> site design, maintenance and security. For that we must choose a pro or a
>>> pro equivalent, wisely and economically.
>>>
>>> Ian, I devised the original site in Joomla and then we got hacked
>>> because I was not maintaining the joomla. I'm through with Joomla. I would
>>> not advise using the way back machine or even my stored backup (if I could
>>> find it) because more people are into WordPress these days and Joomla or
>>> Drupal are long in the tooth. As Eelco points out, a good looking site in
>>> WordPress can be put up in no time. We just want a pro or a competent geek
>>> student to put it up, make it secure and keep it secure.
>>>
>>> Are you watching over the back end of your site like a hawk, Ian?
>>> Personally I feel quite a lot of peace of mind having my pro watch over my
>>> site for a measly $500 a year. But I think that's a bit too much for
>>> Music-Loudness to sustain, don't you?  Plus, my pro would not maintain a
>>> site he didn't design, which seems reasonable.
>>>
>>> Reminds me of the old rate sheet:
>>>
>>> $25 an hour if I do it
>>> $50 an hour if you watch
>>> $100 if I do it and you help
>>> $200 if you do it and I watch.
>>>
>>> Does this help?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> My iPhone made me write this. Quotes only below this line. Nothing more
>>> to see here.
>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Ian Shepherd <ian at mastering-media.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> All my sites (5 or 6) are running on Wordpress. I got hacked several
>>> years ago so installed the free versions of Wordfence and iThemes Security
>>> and have been secure ever since. Maybe Eelco’s students would keep an eye
>>> on things for us ?
>>>
>>> Having said that, can we not pull the source code of the original site
>>> from the Wayback Machine and re-install it ?
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13 Nov 2017, at 23:27, Grimm | Eelco <eelco at grimmaudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> What do you suggest as solution? Is your current website based upon
>>> Wordpress or some other CMS? We could maybe ask your professional to
>>> maintain the MLA pages too - I'm willing to contribute to that.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Eelco
>>>
>>> Guys. We have a domain, I've got control of it and I've been paying for
>>> the domain renewals ever since we put it up  However, I cannot spend the
>>> time to update it or spiff it up. If anyone would like to do the
>>> maintenance or design on it, just let me know and I'll send you all the
>>> particulars.
>>>
>>> The thing about Wordpress is it needs constant maintenance and the
>>> number of hackers and attacks have increased tremendously. All the bad guys
>>> want to take down vulnerable worpress sites. It takes more than just a
>>> website, it takes knowledge and experience. Anyone can write a wordpress
>>> site, but keeping it up is another story.  You need lots of good
>>> protections, a foolproof .htaccess file, etc.
>>>
>>> That's why I have a professional maintaining my site. Someone who spends
>>> every day pruning all the sites under his control. There was a time when I
>>> would maintain a site myself, but I realize that I wear too many hats
>>> already and that I cannot possibly beat his knowledge and expertise. To
>>> date, not one of his sites has ever been hacked.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On 11/11/17 4:48 PM, Grimm | Eelco wrote:
>>>
>>> What can se do to get the MLA site back in a presentable state? I am in
>>> the process of making contacts at tech companies (Amazon, Google) to get
>>> loudness normalization implemented in streaming services and am embarrassed
>>> to refer my contacts to our website - music-loudness.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Students of mine have build this site in just a day with a Wordpress
>>> template: http://tripleacompany.nl (it is for a 'virtual company' that
>>> they are running as a group proejct in their graduate year).
>>>
>>> I could ask if they are willing to make something like this for us. But
>>> we need a domain.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Eelco
>>>
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