[MLA] Our Change.org petition

[Thomas Lund]

Hello Kevin,

I agree about education vs. promotion, so please go ahead and suggest improvements with the cause rather than us in focus.

cheers,
Thomas

PS. Even my kids know not to trust or to quote from Wikipedia, which is generally a dynamic pile of last-man-on-the-keyboard-self-promotion, so I wouldn't stand behind an initiative referring to that. From an academic point of view, the loudness war article is useless, but it might not be worse than Wikipedia pages in general.


> On 07/12/2015, at 18.34, Kevin Gross <kevin.gross at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> MLA was founded as a technical expert group. Our work so far has been in education and engineering on loudness topics and normalization systems. The petition is a piece of non-technical advocacy and I don't know if I'm fully comfortable with that. It is possible my concern could be addressed through editing to remove some of the stridency. I would be happy to propose some changes if you're interested. But I respect comments from Thomas and Bob Ludwig and would like to see those addressed too.
> 
> Incidentally, I am one of the editors of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war> article. If there is a specific objection to something in that article, I would be happy to try and revise it.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Thomas Lund <thomas at lund.one <mailto:thomas at lund.one>> wrote:
> Hi Bob L and all,
> 
> I second that. It was also not easy to defend the time spent and the potential customer annoyance caused by engaging in this topic for >15 years at TC, so kindly understand the tact and requirements needed for steaming ahead as a group.
> 
> best regards,
> Thomas
> 
> 
>> On 07/12/2015, at 16.52, Robert Ludwig <gatewaybob at mac.com <mailto:gatewaybob at mac.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> HI Bob K.
>> 
>> First, clearly I support this initiative, that is never in doubt.  
>> 
>> I re-read your original email where you wrote: "My proposal is that the MLA become the named organization behind the promulgation of this petition.”
>> 
>> Being that some of our members are in the trenches fighting the Loudness battle in world-class situations, and being that our names are NOT being signed on the petition, perhaps the MLA should NOT be the “named organization” but “turnmeup.org <http://turnmeup.org/>”, your own Digido.com <http://digido.com/> site or other.  It won’t change the impact of the petition, in fact perhaps there is more engineer community awareness of those sites than ours.
>> 
>> What does the group think?
>> Thanks,
>> Bob L.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Bob Katz <bobkatz at digido.com <mailto:bobkatz at digido.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys, Thanks for your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> We'll look at some of your thoughts and see at least if we can improve the links.
>>> 
>>> As far as the title goes. We are activists, passionate about our position. This is a petition written by activists, designed to be put on Change.org <http://change.org/> to get action. It's designed to attract people to sign it. "Say No To A Streaming Loudness War" attracts attention, gets the message across well and is in tune with the idea of what a petition is supposed to do. 
>>> 
>>> Do you want this to languish in "We're not activists, we're just apathetic engineers, so sign our petition if you care, but anyway, have a nice day."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Be an activist. Support an activist title for this petition!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob K.
>>> 
>>> 
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