<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello Kevin,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I agree about education vs. promotion, so please go ahead and suggest improvements with the cause rather than us in focus.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">cheers,</div><div class="">Thomas</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">PS. Even my kids know not to trust or to quote from Wikipedia, which is generally a dynamic pile of last-man-on-the-keyboard-self-promotion, so I wouldn't stand behind an initiative referring to that. From an academic point of view, the loudness war article is useless, but it might not be worse than Wikipedia pages in general.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 07/12/2015, at 18.34, Kevin Gross <<a href="mailto:kevin.gross@comcast.net" class="">kevin.gross@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">MLA was founded as a technical expert group. Our work so far has been in education and engineering on loudness topics and normalization systems. The petition is a piece of non-technical advocacy and I don't know if I'm fully comfortable with that. It is possible my concern could be addressed through editing to remove some of the stridency. I would be happy to propose some changes if you're interested. But I respect comments from Thomas and Bob Ludwig and would like to see those addressed too.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Incidentally, I am one of the editors of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war</a> article. If there is a specific objection to something in that article, I would be happy to try and revise it.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Thomas Lund <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:thomas@lund.one" target="_blank" class="">thomas@lund.one</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Hi Bob L and all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I second that. It was also not easy to defend the time spent and the potential customer annoyance caused by engaging in this topic for >15 years at TC, so kindly understand the tact and requirements needed for steaming ahead as a group.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">best regards,</div><div class="">Thomas</div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 07/12/2015, at 16.52, Robert Ludwig <<a href="mailto:gatewaybob@mac.com" target="_blank" class="">gatewaybob@mac.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">HI Bob K.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">First, clearly I support this initiative, that is never in doubt. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I re-read your original email where you wrote: "<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">My proposal is that the MLA become the named organization behind the promulgation of this petition.</span>”</div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">Being that some of our members are in the trenches fighting the Loudness battle in world-class situations, and being that our names are NOT being signed on the petition, perhaps the MLA should NOT be the “named organization” but “<a href="http://turnmeup.org/" target="_blank" class="">turnmeup.org</a>”, your own <a href="http://digido.com/" target="_blank" class="">Digido.com</a> site or other. It won’t change the impact of the petition, in fact perhaps there is more engineer community awareness of those sites than ours.</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">What does the group think?</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">Thanks,</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class="">Bob L.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Bob Katz <<a href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com" target="_blank" class="">bobkatz@digido.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class="">
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Guys, Thanks for your thoughts.<br class="">
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We'll look at some of your thoughts and see at least if we can
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As far as the title goes. We are activists, passionate about our
position. This is a petition written by activists, designed to be
put on <a href="http://change.org/" target="_blank" class="">Change.org</a> to get action. It's designed to attract people to
sign it. "Say No To A Streaming Loudness War" attracts attention,
gets the message across well and is in tune with the idea of what a
petition is supposed to do. <br class="">
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Do you want this to languish in "We're not activists, we're just
apathetic engineers, so sign our petition if you care, but anyway,
have a nice day."<br class="">
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Be an activist. Support an activist title for this petition!<br class="">
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