[MLA] Christmas present for the music world

Fri Jan 12 16:15:53 CET 2018

I checked and made sure I was logged in.

Corruption maybe. Other issues are depressed salary for service workers as
everyone assumes tips as part of wages.

Most importantly, there's discrimination. In music, that would manifest as
tyranny of popularity. Have you tried to listen to any of the most popular
music on Spotify? It's a humbling cultural experience. I hope artists would
not receive financial support in proportion to plays under this scheme
because that would fuel our race to the bottom.

I assume you're familiar with patreon (patreon.com). This is a system that
tries to support more marginal artists and tippers typically do get
something in return.

-kg

On Jan 11, 2018 4:40 PM, "Grimm | Eelco" <eelco at grimmaudio.com> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> I like this. I tried to vote for it. I guess I waited too long.
>
>
> What do you mean? Voting still works, but you need to log in first (or
> make a Spotify account if you don't have it). I have 346 likes now, which
> is pretty good but I can always use more support!
>
> Some news from these trenches: my internal Spotify contact wrote to me
> that his management told him it will be very difficult to implement the
> Karma button because the contracts they have with the labels force them to
> share _all_ revenue with the labels, regardless where it stems from. This
> is very important info and I'm therefore going to set the next step:
> convince the record labels of the need for this Karma button so they change
> their contracts. I have an appointment with the 'NVPI', which is the Dutch
> department of the IFPI, which is the association of record labels etc (
> http://www.ifpi.org). My goal is to convince them to recommend their
> members to embrace the Karma button.
>
> Step by step forward and still enjoying the view.
>
> The proposal is essentially to create a mechanism to give tips to artists.
>
>
> There is one essential difference: with the karma button you don't get
> anything back in return (not 'in this lifetime'). With tip you receive the
> gratefulness of the waiter or whoever you offer the tip. I can imagine in
> the long run this forced mutual affection can indeed lead to corruption
> like your podcast claims (well... sort of).
>
> Cheers,
> Eelco
>
>
> The proposal is essentially to create a mechanism to give tips to artists.
> We're big on tipping here in the US or at least big on not paying people
> well and assuming they'll make up for it in tips. As you might imagine,
> this is not always a fair system and has some unexpected consequences.
> Here's a podcast about it if you're interested -
> http://freakonomics.com/podcast/should-tipping-be-banned-
> a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/
>
> Kevin Gross - AVA Networks
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Grimm | Eelco <eelco at grimmaudio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> Remind that the labels charge considerably for the music. So the
>> streaming companies don't make much money and can only become profitable if
>> they become so big that they have a monopoly position (this seems to be the
>> major goal in the current internet driven company world...). The stream
>> revenues will still go to the labels (or other master owners), there's
>> nothing to do about that. The Karma button goes around all this and by
>> adding the Sena organization to the equation I make sure that the 'makers'
>> like musicians and producers are paid with the Karma donation, not the
>> 'creators' like composers (who should get their money via the labels).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eelco
>>
>> Eelco's proposal is a very very good start, but it seems to me it's
>> really a workaround for the streaming companies who don't respect the
>> artists who should not be getting fractions of a penny per play. Correct me
>> if I'm wrong, here's how I think of it:
>>
>> We're not going to ever see their books, but what do you think the
>> balance sheets of any named streaming company look like. If we factor in
>> R&D and the salaries of their employees, and the costs of the streaming
>> network (which are considerable) at a certain point after the R&D has been
>> recouped a lot of this is profit that has to go to the artists. So in the
>> long run they have to pay up, and Eelco's proposal is a workaround that
>> let's them off the hook. If their structure is such that they aren't making
>> enough income to pay the artists then the whole thing is an exploitation of
>> the artists that bring subscribers to their table.
>>
>> I do want to donate to the artists and support Eelco's proposal, but
>> let's remember, this reduces the pressure on the streaming company to pay
>> the artist themselves.
>>
>>
>> Bob K.
>>
>> On 12/19/17 5:50 PM, Grimm | Eelco wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> I voted and then I just passed your link on to Maureen Droney,
>> the Managing Director of the Producers & Engineers Wing of The Recording
>> Academy.
>>
>> GOOD LUCK with it!!
>>
>>
>> Thank you! Please let Maureen know that I am happy to have a call or
>> email conversation with him about this whenever he likes.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Eelco
>>
>>
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