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<p>Hi, Kevin. <br>
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<p>Annoyance has something to do with it, and yes it's pretty hard
to separate annoyance from perceived loudness of a highly
compressed sound. But to my ears the less dynamic the recording
and the more compression that is used --- the differences between
loud and soft passages are so small that it sounds relentlessly
loud. Louder than its LUFS would imply. <br>
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<p>Bob</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/28/22 8:05 PM, Kevin Gross wrote:<br>
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<div>Bob, it sounds from your description that turning down
MSNBC doesn't exactly fix the problem.
Loudness normalization should not be confused with annoyance
normalization. <br>
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<div>It used to be that I would have to adjust volume through
a shuffled playlist. Now that things are normalized, I still
need to skip the annoying tracks</div>
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<div>-kg<br>
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<p>Ian: I for one appreciate your incredible enthusiasm on
your blog. <br>
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<p>Well..... using YouTube as justification for what is
ultimately an estimated uni-dimensional statistical
value doesn't impress me. What impresses me is your
marketing ability. I am so tempted to tell people that
Ian Shepherd says that music platforms are already 95%
normalized! <br>
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<p>9 out of 10 doctors say so, too!</p>
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<p>At least we are moving forward and thanks for the
article. <br>
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<p>One thing we all are conveniently ignoring is that if
you master something stupid loud, so highly compressed
and distorted, it will sound louder than shit even if
played 2-3 dB down in LUFS or SPL compared to more
dynamic material. So "stupid loud" is a way for assholes
to "beat" the normalized system. <br>
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<p>I encounter this all the time in our bedroom with
speech. MSNBC is a highly compressed 24 hour news
station. It's the squishy, spongey kind of compression
which I'm sure you know. So it's not "stupid loud" but
even so it illustrates what we're up against. Even
though MSNBC is loudness normalized with dialnorm, it
sounds so unrelentless that I typically turn down the
bedroom monitor 3-4 dB below that of more dynamic
stations and material with the same dialnorm value. <br>
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<p>Bob</p>
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<div>On 4/28/22 8:54 AM, Ian Shepherd wrote:<br>
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<div>Now Apple are enabling Sound Check by default, I
got curious about normalization statistics. I was
really pleased by what I found, so I’m sharing it with
you in case it’s helpful when talking to any of your
clients…</div>
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://productionadvice.co.uk/95-percent-normalized/</a></div>
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<div>Of course there are plenty of places where
normalization isn’t active, but another positive bit
of news recently is that I measured the first 30 mins
of Soundcloud’s Top 50 playlist, and the maximum
short-term loudness of most songs was typically -7
LUFS except for very brief moments, and maybe half the
songs maxed out at -10 or -11 LUFS.</div>
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<div>Of course we would still like it to be lower, but
at least it wasn’t the -4 LUFS fiasco that I feared !</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div>Ian <br>
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