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<p>You betcha, Ian! Good observation. <br>
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<p>Anyway, bottoms up. Upward compression only, minimal or
negligible effect on the mid to loud passages. This has been my
proposal always! And make it optional, list: for noisy locations
to make it clear what you are doing. <br>
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<p>ROBIN, please give me a link so I can change the DNS and we can
go live.</p>
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<p>Thanks,</p>
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<pre wrap="">The other thing that may be related, or not, is that we know many streaming services are doing some sort of limiting
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Actually only Spotify is applying limiting at the moment, to the best of my knowledge.
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Personally I think we should only discourage it from happening, but fwiw one of the AES groups has already created a freely available limiter for the purpose of achieving certain loudness targets (eg. -16 LUFS from a -23 LUFS source) I believe. I haven’t tried it out, though.
My point being, the horse may already have bolted in this case. I certainly agree that MLA could make a very positive future contribution by describing the best way noisy environments can be handled in portable players, though.
Personally I’ve found that top-down limiting has NO benefit in noisy environments, in fact it has a detrimental effect - the “blunting” of transients and removal of detail makes things less intelligible, not more.
Ian
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