<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">It has long been in MQA’s plans to integrate loudness normalization, which should be easy to do well in a highly proprietary system.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When I circulated the different streaming level-diagrams 4 years ago, one of the reasons was Roon, then a sound quality oriented frontend to Tidal. They were also interested in quality-conscious search criteria based on PLR or Programme Loudness filtering. In case Tidal indeed have discarded track data, <i class="">that</i> motivating function will not come to fruition now; thank you very much.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">br Thomas</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 Dec 2017, at 00.44, Grimm | Eelco <<a href="mailto:eelco@grimmaudio.com" class="">eelco@grimmaudio.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Just some extra info: MQA on Tidal has loudness normalization (I was told - I did not test it yet). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Plus I am cooperating with Roon Labs to forward the metadata of Tidal and the local audio files through our upcoming media player downstream to our LS1 loudspeakers so the volume setting and loudness data are merged in the DSP at the final stage before the DAC - yes that is 'norm-l'. It is all possible right now and pretty audiophile. You can even forward the metadata further downstream to a digitally controlled analog volume stage after the DAC if that's your taste.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Eelco</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Audiophiles can have anxiety about bit transparency so could shun loudness normalization on those grounds. But MQA is not bit transparent so that doesn't seem to be a reasonable objection in this context. Is there some nice story we can tell about a symbiotic relationship between high resolution or MQA and loudness normalization?<br class=""><br class=""><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto" class="">Kevin </div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 12, 2017 8:19 AM, "Robert Ludwig" <<a href="mailto:gatewaybob@mac.com" class="">gatewaybob@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Hi Bob K!<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">I cannot justify a Tidal subscription each month so I am not
subscribed. </div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But Bob K. you CAN <u class="">test out</u> the TIDAL Hi-Fi/ TIDAL-Masters for free for 30 days. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It should sound identical to the MQA site you are beta testing. You can compare buffering algorithms when used for DSL and less-than fast internet hook-ups. Tidal used to work well on my home DSL, now not as much after the last software revision. The new beta site seemed to be better in that regard.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">But I am currently beta testing a new high resolution
MQA streaming service that has not yet become public. The sound
quality of the MQA on the stream made from good 2496 and higher
resolution masters is astounding. If this service can obtain more
high resolution masters and have a good selection, I would subscribe
to them at $19.99 a month. <br class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Just playing devil’s advocate:<br class="">So, being that TIDAL already HAS lots more high resolution masters than the beta site, and the fact that they are BOTH $19.99 a month, why favor the beta site? <br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">
I have not yet brought up the issue of loudness normalization to
them, as I suspect the director of the company will hit the roof…</div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">I completely agree here, I would not want to be the one to bring it up.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As a matter of curiosity, have you come across titles that do NOT seem to benefit from MQA? For me, I have found quite a few pop titles and even some classical titles where they sounded better without clearer transients. Just curious!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best!</div><div class="">Bob L.</div></div><br class="">______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">
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