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<p>I like it!</p>
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<p>Bob</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/11/17 9:57 AM, Robin Reumers
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAMvxex+qa-b2-M49X1niSsE9jW+EYJXEDwrgbWPyXcXQJqFiRQ@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="ltr">Hi all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Apologies for the delay in responding, it has been hectic
here. I've made a mockup (see attached) of the site. It would
have:</div>
<div>- Home which has an intro (could be the text from the old
website) and below it some news items, for example in this
case the Tidal announcement. Every time there is something
worth mentioning, it can be updated.</div>
<div>- About Us: explains what the group is about (objectives)
and maybe a bit about all of you. Up to you of course.</div>
<div>- Papers: A list of all papers, when clicked it will open a
PDF reader but also next to it a button to download the PDF if
they want to read it in their own viewer</div>
<div>- Links: the old weblinks from the old website</div>
<div>- Contact us page: a form with CAPTCHA to be emailed to
someone (could be Florian if you'd like). This way, the email
address will never be visible.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please let me know if you have any remarks or comments and
we'll move onto the design if everyone agrees.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Robin</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kevin
Gross <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:kevin.gross@avanw.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gross@avanw.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">I think, as a first step, we're looking to
rebuild the content on the site before we were hacked.
There's a good copy on the Wayback machine - <a
href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170201231348/http://www.music-loudness.com/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://web.archive.org/web/<wbr>20170201231348/http://www.<wbr>music-loudness.com/</a>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We did not have a news section before. If we do add
one I think it is likely to be updated just a few times
a year.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We did have a weblinks section with some reasonable
content. We should probably review that to make sure it
is still reasonable and to address any link rot issues.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>One piece of content we should add (to the papers
section) is a copy of Eelco's Tidal paper - <a
href="https://octo.hku.nl/octo/repository/getfile?id=qLlZPGSVXFM"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://octo.hku.nl/octo/<wbr>repository/getfile?id=<wbr>qLlZPGSVXFM</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Maybe a website-based PDF viewer is a good idea. Most
browsers have this capability now. For this reason, I
think a simple link to a PDF is adequate.</div>
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data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">Kevin Gross - AVA Networks</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:48
PM, Bob Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">bobkatz@digido.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">I got five responses immediately on
facebook. The winner I think is Robin Reumers.
He's willing to do it for free. I have to see if
that includes maintenance and security. I endorse
Robin 1000%. He knows everything about everything.
He was my assistant for two years, general manager
of two SAE schools, is now a founder of Abbey Road
Institute, has founded a plugin company and was
chief operating officer of Galaxy Studios. I got
him the job at Galaxy!
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In fact, Robin is visiting here this weekend
so we could discuss this. I'll keep you
informed. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best</div>
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color="#888888">
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</font></span>
<div><span class="m_724294862827757184HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888">Bob<br>
</font></span>
<div><span><br>
<div
id="m_724294862827757184m_-1525687054207776237AppleMailSignature">My
iPhone made me write this. Quotes only
below this line. Nothing more to see
here.
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On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Bob Katz
<<a href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bobkatz@digido.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>I posted on my FB page. Nothing
ventured, nothing gained. Kevin's
idea about depending on backups to
deal with security has some merit
because it's going to be a largely
static site. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The thing is if a hack happens
then you need the expert to keep it
from happening again. And that's
where it gets costly. Reloading from
a backup is all well and good but
where do you go from there when it
gets hacked? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Here's my post: </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any website developers willing to
watch over a non-profit
audio-related educational site for a
yearly honorarium? We might put
your name on the page if it's
helpful. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kevin Gross, Eelco Grimm, Bob
Ludwig, Ian Shepherd, Florian
Camerer</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<br>
<div
id="m_724294862827757184m_-1525687054207776237AppleMailSignature">My
iPhone made me write this. Quotes
only below this line. Nothing more
to see here.
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<div><br>
On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Bob
Katz <<a
href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">bobkatz@digido.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>I'll ask on Facebook.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bob<br>
<div><br>
<div
id="m_724294862827757184m_-1525687054207776237AppleMailSignature">My
iPhone made me write this.
Quotes only below this line.
Nothing more to see here.
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On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:32 PM,
Grimm | Eelco <<a
href="mailto:eelco@grimmaudio.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">eelco@grimmaudio.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Hi Bob and Kevin,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So the problem is the
security. My students
cannot offer that (just
setting the thing up -
pretty straightforward
work). And no one on
this list has time for
it. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There are two
solutions:</div>
<div>1. We hire someone to
look after security of a
Wordpress site on the
digido domain. </div>
<div>2. We rent a site at
Weebly - yes they take
care of security since
that is their core
business. If we accept
some "made with Weebly"
banners it is free,
otherwise I think the
€7/month option fits all
our needs, which is
€84/year.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If we can find
someone who can take
care of security
(updates etc) of a
Wordpress site for €100
/ year or less, I'm very
fine with the digido
solution. Otherwise
Weebly seems like a nice
and cheaper choice. I
could even live with
"made with Weebly"
banners btw.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Eelco</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>On 14 nov. 2017, at
20:44, Bob Katz <<a
href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bobkatz@digido.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="auto">The
MLA is not paying
for dns OR for a
site. What part of
"Free of charge"
don't you
understand? If you
want a prefab,
cookie cutter look,
go to Weebly OR
Squarespace and move
from zero dollars
(subsidized by yours
truly that I'm
paying a helluva lot
for MLAs benefit).
Any amateur or pro
is free to build the
MLA site here.
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="http://www.digido.com/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Www.digido.com</a> is a fabulous, custom site.
You'll be on the
same host. All you
have to do is
design. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bob K<br>
<br>
<div>My iPhone
made me write
this. Quotes
only below this
line. Nothing
more to see
here.
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<div><br>
On Nov 14, 2017,
at 12:33 PM,
Kevin Gross <<a
href="mailto:kevin.gross@avanw.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">kevin.gross@avanw.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Yes,
I was
proposing an
amateur build
the site.
Security would
be
accomplished
by a good
backup that we
can quickly
restore from.
If no one
thinks this is
a workable
idea, I'm
happy to move
on. Despite
potential
bugaboos in
the fine
print, my
second choice
would be
something
like <span
style="font-size:12.8px">Weebly
or
Squarespace.
My
understanding
is these are a
bit more than
a
Wordpress instance.</span>
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<div dir="ltr">Kevin
Gross - AVA
Networks</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Nov 14,
2017 at 10:21
AM, Bob Katz <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bobkatz@digido.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>If you want
an amateur to
build the site
and "secure"
it, no skin
off my back.
There's no
reason to pay
Weebly or
Squarespace
because we
already have a
site and I
offer it free
to the MLA. ,
and we're
saving money
because I'm
already paying
the fees for
the MLA. Just
don't come
back with your
tails between
your legs if
the site gets
hacked or it
isn't
supported
adequately.
All we need is
design,
maintenance
and security.
<br>
</p>
<p>Hosting is
hosting.
Hosting is not
security. Read
the fine print
at Weebly and
Squarespace.
I'll bet they
supply the
site and maybe
a wordpress
instance. But
I'll also bet
If you go into
the site and
start playing
with it, then
you're
responsible
for its
security and
maintenance! <br>
</p>
<p>If the guy
we "hire"
doesn't know
how to set up
an empty
wordpress
instance
himself, then
he shouldn't
be hired. That
should be the
minimum
requirement
for technical
competence.
I'll provide
the site, the
dns and the
subdomain for
staging, and
any passwords
or access
codes that he
or she needs.
I can even
make an empty
wordpress
instance on
our domain,
but it would
not give me
confidence to
discover I had
to do it
because the
guy we "hire"
couldn't do it
himself!<span
class="m_724294862827757184m_-1525687054207776237HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
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color="#888888">
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Bob</p>
</font></span>
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<p><br>
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<div
class="m_724294862827757184m_-1525687054207776237m_5531788856829943moz-cite-prefix">On
11/14/17 11:18
AM, Kevin
Gross wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hosting
is a problem
if hosting
with you
requires we
engage a
professional
to secure the
site. Can you
set us up an
empty
Wordpress
instance, have
it backed up
reliably and
give Eelco
access so that
he can get his
student
volunteers to
populate it
for us? If
you're not
comfortable
with this, and
I'm not
expecting you
would be, I'm
not sure I
would be, we
should look at
alternatives.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Weebly
does offer pro
website
hosting for
$12/mo.
Squarespace is
$18/mo.
Presumably
security and
backup is
taken care of
for you on
these
services. I
think we
should be able
to scrape
together the
$200/yr
required to
support this.</div>
</div>
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data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">Kevin
Gross - AVA
Networks</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Nov 14,
2017 at 8:41
AM, Bob Katz <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bobkatz@digido.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>Kevin. The
site is not
the problem! I
continue to
offer it to
the group for
free. The DNS
is already
pointing. All
those aspects
have been
taken care of
by me. <br>
</p>
<p>Once again:
The issue is
design,
security and
maintenance.
Anyone can
design a
wordpress
site, but not
everyone can
offer
security,
guaranteed
maintenance
and upkeep. It
has to be a
package....
you can't have
an amateur
design it
followed by a
pro to
maintain it. </p>
<p>So if we
find someone
who knows how
to do it, I'll
guide him or
her through
the back end
and even to
the creation
of a temporary
subdomain for
staging. All
that is not a
problem. I
have that
expertise and
it's already
being done for
our site. I
could set up a
wordpress
instance as
well but like
everyone on
this list, I
am an amateur.
So we need
design,
maintenance
and security.
A package. Or
we'll be
hacked soon as
you're born,
just like
every other
amateur who
sets up a
wordpress
site. <br>
</p>
Let's not be
naive: We need
someone with
expertise to
make it secure
and to
maintain it,
keep all the
mains and
plugins up to
date. Not a
month goes by
without one of
my plugins or
wordpress
needing
update. In
many cases
security
issues come up
and have to be
responded to
rapidly. That
is not
something you
want someone
casual to do.
I'm very happy
I have a pro
maintaining
those aspects
of my site for
me, I wear too
many hats and
so does
everyone else
on this list.
<br>
<p> I know how
to set up
wordpress
backups,
that's not an
issue. I am
already
performing
offsite
backups using
ftp to my
local
redundant
server and
will ensure
that our new
wordpress site
is adequately
backed up. <br>
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color="#888888"> </font></span></p>
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color="#888888">
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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<p><br>
</p>
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<div
class="m_724294862827757184m_-1525687054207776237m_5531788856829943m_5017521098930143031moz-cite-prefix">On
11/14/17 9:31
AM, Kevin
Gross wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Can
we agree that
the f<span
style="font-size:12.8px">irst
step here is
to get an
empty
Wordpress
instance set
up somewhere
and establish
a security and
maintenance
plan for it?</span>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px">I
have room to
do this for no
additional
cost at
Hostmonster. I
am no
Wordpress
expert but
could set up a
new empty
instance based
on the
web-based
systems
provided by
Hostmonster. I
am not
watching
things like a
hawk so it
could get
toasted again.
But
Hostmonster
does regular
automatic
backups for
each account
so it could be
restored or
rebuilt
elsewhere from
backups.</span></div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Kevin
Gross - AVA
Networks</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Nov 14,
2017 at 7:01
AM, Bob Katz <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bobkatz@digido.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
dir="auto">Dear
Eelco.
Ultimately a
professional
is the best
solution but
my guy is too
expensive for
us I think.
I'm paying
around $500 a
year for his
maintenance
and a few
thousand for
the initial
design.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My site
runs on a
highly-customized
WordPress. We
do have
Wordfence
running but
I'm not a
security
expert. I do
know there was
more to our
security,
including
capcha, and on
my host I am
running extra
security. I
have full
access to the
back-end and I
have space for
backup and am
willing with
our group to
contribute to
the cost of
some necessary
plugins,
including
updraft pro
and maybe a
few others.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I advise
if you/we can
find a very
astute student
volunteer who
likes audio
and our goals,
who is not
into cookie
cutter
templates, who
understands
PHP and has
experience
with security.
Those would be
the economical
ingredients.
If he/she will
keep the
WordPress up
and up to date
as a volunteer
then we ask a
group can
volunteer to
maintain the
articles.
That's all I
ask. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I pay for
the site and I
host the
domain. I pay
for the
domain. I'm
more than
happy to
contribute to
articles, but
I have to draw
the line
before site
design,
maintenance
and security.
For that we
must choose a
pro or a pro
equivalent,
wisely and
economically. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ian, I
devised the
original site
in Joomla and
then we got
hacked because
I was not
maintaining
the joomla.
I'm through
with Joomla. I
would not
advise using
the way back
machine or
even my stored
backup (if I
could find it)
because more
people are
into WordPress
these days and
Joomla or
Drupal are
long in the
tooth. As
Eelco points
out, a good
looking site
in WordPress
can be put up
in no time. We
just want a
pro or a
competent geek
student to put
it up, make it
secure and
keep it
secure. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Are you
watching over
the back end
of your site
like a hawk,
Ian?
Personally I
feel quite a
lot of peace
of mind having
my pro watch
over my site
for a measly
$500 a year.
But I think
that's a bit
too much for
Music-Loudness
to sustain,
don't you?
Plus, my pro
would not
maintain a
site he didn't
design, which
seems
reasonable. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Reminds
me of the old
rate sheet: </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>$25 an
hour if I do
it</div>
<div>$50 an
hour if you
watch</div>
<div>$100 if I
do it and you
help</div>
<div>$200 if
you do it and
I watch. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Does this
help? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bob<br>
<br>
<div
id="m_724294862827757184m_-1525687054207776237m_5531788856829943m_5017521098930143031m_-1621496799484781736AppleMailSignature">My
iPhone made me
write this.
Quotes only
below this
line. Nothing
more to see
here.
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<div><br>
On Nov 13,
2017, at 7:37
PM, Ian
Shepherd <<a
href="mailto:ian@mastering-media.co.uk" target="_blank"
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<div>Hi Bob,</div>
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<div>All my
sites (5 or 6)
are running on
Wordpress. I
got hacked
several years
ago so
installed the
free versions
of Wordfence
and iThemes
Security and
have been
secure ever
since. Maybe
Eelco’s
students would
keep an eye on
things for us
?</div>
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<div>Having
said that, can
we not pull
the source
code of the
original site
from the
Wayback
Machine and
re-install it
?</div>
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<div>Ian</div>
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23:27, Grimm |
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<div>Hi Bob,</div>
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<div>What do
you suggest as
solution? Is
your current
website based
upon Wordpress
or some other
CMS? We could
maybe ask your
professional
to maintain
the MLA pages
too - I'm
willing to
contribute to
that.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<p>Guys. We
have a domain,
I've got
control of it
and I've been
paying for the
domain
renewals ever
since we put
it up
However, I
cannot spend
the time to
update it or
spiff it up.
If anyone
would like to
do the
maintenance or
design on it,
just let me
know and I'll
send you all
the
particulars. <br>
</p>
<p>The thing
about
Wordpress is
it needs
constant
maintenance
and the number
of hackers and
attacks have
increased
tremendously.
All the bad
guys want to
take down
vulnerable
worpress
sites. It
takes more
than just a
website, it
takes
knowledge and
experience.
Anyone can
write a
wordpress
site, but
keeping it up
is another
story. You
need lots of
good
protections, a
foolproof
.htaccess
file, etc. <br>
</p>
<p>That's why
I have a
professional
maintaining my
site. Someone
who spends
every day
pruning all
the sites
under his
control. There
was a time
when I would
maintain a
site myself,
but I realize
that I wear
too many hats
already and
that I cannot
possibly beat
his knowledge
and expertise.
To date, not
one of his
sites has ever
been hacked. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">What
can se do to
get the MLA
site back in a
presentable
state? I am in
the process of
making
contacts at
tech companies
(Amazon,
Google) to get
loudness
normalization
implemented in
streaming
services and
am embarrassed
to refer my
contacts to
our website -
<a
href="http://music-loudness.com/"
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<div>Students
of mine have
build this
site in just a
day with a
Wordpress
template: <a
href="http://tripleacompany.nl/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://tripleacompan<wbr>y.nl</a>
(it is for a
'virtual
company' that
they are
running as a
group proejct
in their
graduate
year).</div>
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<div>I could
ask if they
are willing to
make something
like this for
us. But we
need a domain.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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