<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">The MLA is not paying for dns OR for a site. What part of "Free of charge" don't you understand? If you want a prefab, cookie cutter look, go to Weebly OR Squarespace and move from zero dollars (subsidized by yours truly that I'm paying a helluva lot for MLAs benefit). Any amateur or pro is free to build the MLA site here. <div><br></div><div><a href="http://Www.digido.com">Www.digido.com</a> is a fabulous, custom site. You'll be on the same host. All you have to do is design. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards, </div><div><br></div><div>Bob K<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">My iPhone made me write this. Quotes only below this line. Nothing more to see here. <div>----------------------------------------------------</div></div><div><br>On Nov 14, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Kevin Gross <<a href="mailto:kevin.gross@avanw.com">kevin.gross@avanw.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Yes, I was proposing an amateur build the site. Security would be accomplished by a good backup that we can quickly restore from. If no one thinks this is a workable idea, I'm happy to move on. Despite potential bugaboos in the fine print, my second choice would be something like <span style="font-size:12.8px">Weebly or Squarespace. My understanding is these are a bit more than a Wordpress instance.</span><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Kevin Gross - AVA Networks</div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Bob Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com" target="_blank">bobkatz@digido.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>If you want an amateur to build the site and "secure" it, no skin
off my back. There's no reason to pay Weebly or Squarespace
because we already have a site and I offer it free to the MLA. ,
and we're saving money because I'm already paying the fees for the
MLA. Just don't come back with your tails between your legs if the
site gets hacked or it isn't supported adequately. All we need is
design, maintenance and security. <br>
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<p>Hosting is hosting. Hosting is not security. Read the fine print
at Weebly and Squarespace. I'll bet they supply the site and maybe
a wordpress instance. But I'll also bet If you go into the site
and start playing with it, then you're responsible for its
security and maintenance! <br>
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<p>If the guy we "hire" doesn't know how to set up an empty
wordpress instance himself, then he shouldn't be hired. That
should be the minimum requirement for technical competence. I'll
provide the site, the dns and the subdomain for staging, and any
passwords or access codes that he or she needs. I can even make an
empty wordpress instance on our domain, but it would not give me
confidence to discover I had to do it because the guy we "hire"
couldn't do it himself!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div class="m_5531788856829943moz-cite-prefix">On 11/14/17 11:18 AM, Kevin Gross
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<div dir="ltr">Hosting is a problem if hosting with you requires
we engage a professional to secure the site. Can you set us up
an empty Wordpress instance, have it backed up reliably and give
Eelco access so that he can get his student volunteers to
populate it for us? If you're not comfortable with this, and I'm
not expecting you would be, I'm not sure I would be, we should
look at alternatives.
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<div>Weebly does offer pro website hosting for $12/mo.
Squarespace is $18/mo. Presumably security and backup is taken
care of for you on these services. I think we should be able
to scrape together the $200/yr required to support this.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Bob
Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com" target="_blank">bobkatz@digido.com</a>></span>
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<p>Kevin. The site is not the problem! I continue to offer
it to the group for free. The DNS is already pointing.
All those aspects have been taken care of by me. <br>
</p>
<p>Once again: The issue is design, security and
maintenance. Anyone can design a wordpress site, but not
everyone can offer security, guaranteed maintenance and
upkeep. It has to be a package.... you can't have an
amateur design it followed by a pro to maintain it. </p>
<p>So if we find someone who knows how to do it, I'll
guide him or her through the back end and even to the
creation of a temporary subdomain for staging. All that
is not a problem. I have that expertise and it's already
being done for our site. I could set up a wordpress
instance as well but like everyone on this list, I am an
amateur. So we need design, maintenance and security. A
package. Or we'll be hacked soon as you're born, just
like every other amateur who sets up a wordpress site. <br>
</p>
Let's not be naive: We need someone with expertise to make
it secure and to maintain it, keep all the mains and
plugins up to date. Not a month goes by without one of my
plugins or wordpress needing update. In many cases
security issues come up and have to be responded to
rapidly. That is not something you want someone casual to
do. I'm very happy I have a pro maintaining those aspects
of my site for me, I wear too many hats and so does
everyone else on this list. <br>
<p> I know how to set up wordpress backups, that's not an
issue. I am already performing offsite backups using ftp
to my local redundant server and will ensure that our
new wordpress site is adequately backed up. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Can we agree that the f<span style="font-size:12.8px">irst step here is to
get an empty Wordpress instance set up somewhere
and establish a security and maintenance plan
for it?</span>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I have room to
do this for no additional cost at Hostmonster.
I am no Wordpress expert but could set up a
new empty instance based on the web-based
systems provided by Hostmonster. I am not
watching things like a hawk so it could get
toasted again. But Hostmonster does regular
automatic backups for each account so it could
be restored or rebuilt elsewhere from backups.</span></div>
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7:01 AM, Bob Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com" target="_blank">bobkatz@digido.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="auto">Dear Eelco. Ultimately a
professional is the best solution but my guy
is too expensive for us I think. I'm paying
around $500 a year for his maintenance and a
few thousand for the initial design.
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<div>My site runs on a highly-customized
WordPress. We do have Wordfence running
but I'm not a security expert. I do know
there was more to our security, including
capcha, and on my host I am running extra
security. I have full access to the
back-end and I have space for backup and
am willing with our group to contribute to
the cost of some necessary plugins,
including updraft pro and maybe a few
others.
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<div>I advise if you/we can find a very
astute student volunteer who likes audio
and our goals, who is not into cookie
cutter templates, who understands PHP
and has experience with security. Those
would be the economical ingredients. If
he/she will keep the WordPress up and up
to date as a volunteer then we ask a
group can volunteer to maintain the
articles. That's all I ask. </div>
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<div>I pay for the site and I host the
domain. I pay for the domain. I'm more
than happy to contribute to articles,
but I have to draw the line before site
design, maintenance and security. For
that we must choose a pro or a pro
equivalent, wisely and economically. </div>
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<div>Ian, I devised the original site in
Joomla and then we got hacked because I
was not maintaining the joomla. I'm
through with Joomla. I would not advise
using the way back machine or even my
stored backup (if I could find it)
because more people are into WordPress
these days and Joomla or Drupal are long
in the tooth. As Eelco points out, a
good looking site in WordPress can be
put up in no time. We just want a pro or
a competent geek student to put it up,
make it secure and keep it secure. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Are you watching over the back end of
your site like a hawk, Ian? Personally
I feel quite a lot of peace of mind
having my pro watch over my site for a
measly $500 a year. But I think that's a
bit too much for Music-Loudness to
sustain, don't you? Plus, my pro would
not maintain a site he didn't design,
which seems reasonable. </div>
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<div>Reminds me of the old rate sheet: </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>$25 an hour if I do it</div>
<div>$50 an hour if you watch</div>
<div>$100 if I do it and you help</div>
<div>$200 if you do it and I watch. </div>
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<div>Does this help? </div>
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<div>Bob<br>
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<div>All my sites (5 or 6) are
running on Wordpress. I got
hacked several years ago so
installed the free versions of
Wordfence and iThemes Security
and have been secure ever
since. Maybe Eelco’s students
would keep an eye on things
for us ?</div>
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<div>Having said that, can we
not pull the source code of
the original site from the
Wayback Machine and re-install
it ?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ian</div>
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23:27, Grimm | Eelco <<a href="mailto:eelco@grimmaudio.com" target="_blank">eelco@grimmaudio.com</a>>
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<div>Hi Bob,</div>
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</div>
<div>What do you suggest
as solution? Is your
current website based
upon Wordpress or some
other CMS? We could
maybe ask your
professional to
maintain the MLA pages
too - I'm willing to
contribute to that.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Eelco</div>
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<p>Guys. We have a
domain, I've got
control of it
and I've been
paying for the
domain renewals
ever since we
put it up
However, I
cannot spend the
time to update
it or spiff it
up. If anyone
would like to do
the maintenance
or design on it,
just let me know
and I'll send
you all the
particulars. <br>
</p>
<p>The thing about
Wordpress is it
needs constant
maintenance and
the number of
hackers and
attacks have
increased
tremendously.
All the bad guys
want to take
down vulnerable
worpress sites.
It takes more
than just a
website, it
takes knowledge
and experience.
Anyone can write
a wordpress
site, but
keeping it up is
another story.
You need lots of
good
protections, a
foolproof
.htaccess file,
etc. <br>
</p>
<p>That's why I
have a
professional
maintaining my
site. Someone
who spends every
day pruning all
the sites under
his control.
There was a time
when I would
maintain a site
myself, but I
realize that I
wear too many
hats already and
that I cannot
possibly beat
his knowledge
and expertise.
To date, not one
of his sites has
ever been
hacked. <br>
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<p>Bob<br>
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11/11/17 4:48
PM, Grimm |
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<div dir="ltr">What
can se do to
get the MLA
site back in a
presentable
state? I am in
the process of
making
contacts at
tech companies
(Amazon,
Google) to get
loudness
normalization
implemented in
streaming
services and
am embarrassed
to refer my
contacts to
our website -
<a href="http://music-loudness.com/" target="_blank">music-loudness.com</a></div>
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<div>Students of
mine have
build this
site in just a
day with a
Wordpress
template: <a href="http://tripleacompany.nl/" target="_blank">http://tripleacompan<wbr>y.nl</a>
(it is for a
'virtual
company' that
they are
running as a
group proejct
in their
graduate
year).</div>
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<div>I could ask
if they are
willing to
make something
like this for
us. But we
need a domain.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Eelco</div>
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