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</div><div class="">Hi All,</div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="">Just to say that in theory I’d be happy to do a presentation with the title Eelco suggests, assuming I’m in NY at the right time. Currently my plan is to arrive late afternoon on Wednesday, and leave on Friday night. I’m already doing a short presentation on streaming loudness as part of Bob’s mastering workshop on Friday afternoon, so it will depend on timing, as well.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ian</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>
<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 23 Jul 2017, at 23:29, Grimm | Eelco <<a href="mailto:eelco@grimmaudio.com" class="">eelco@grimmaudio.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Dear Kevin,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You wrote about our possible loudness workshop during AES 143rd: "I can volunteer to chair it if that's agreeable to everyone." and since there is no time to loose, I love to accept your offer.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Since I did not know the name of the workshops chair and I could not find it on the AES website, I just wrote a message to the paper chairs Braxton Boren and Areti Andreopoulou to ask me to connect you and me to the workshops chair. In case you already have a direct lead to the workshops chair, please let him (and Braxton and Areti) know. We need to apply for a workshop time slot asap.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unfortunately I have very little time before I leave on holidays (Thursday). So I hope you all at MLA can help me a bit to assemble the framework of this workshop. The working title of the workshop that I have in mind is: “The Loudness War Has Ended, Now What?”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I imagine a program with the following topics:</div><div class="">1. My presentation about the "Recommendation for loudness normalization by Music Streaming Services" (like I did in Berlin)</div><div class="">2. "Mastering after the loudness war". Ian Shepherd could do this, or Bob Katz (I recall that Ian is not in New York all four days). NB Care should be taken that this topic has not too much overlap with the mastering workshop of Bob Ludwig, but I guess there's enough stuff to fill at least two sessions...</div><div class="">2b. Ian or Bob may show the PSR meters that Ian, Nugen, RTW and Grimm Audio will introduce during a poster session at AES NY. </div><div class="">3. "Loudness normalization of Podcasts". Bob Katz, please let us know if you think this is a good topic for this workshop. I think the SC-02-12 discussion about a target level of -18 LUFS is interesting enough to share.</div><div class="">4. Thomas Lund may have a presentation, but we have not heard from him yet.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My presentation takes 30 min. Workshops are usually 1.5 hours. We should be able to fill that with high quality presentations.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Eelco</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi all,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If there is no music loudness workshop yet, I guess we should organize one. Chances are high that by October both Tidal and Spotify, and - who knows - Apple, are using album style normalization on by default. That would really mean the end of the loudness war and we need to celebrate that I guess. Topics could be:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. My Tidal research, showing why -14 LUFS and Album Normalization is the way to go for mobile (and lower levels in stationary situations of course).</div><div class="">2. What does the end of the loudness war mean for music mastering? Ian Shepherd could do a presentation about "mastering after the loudness war", but I am sure Bob Katz can do it too. Care should be taken that this does not overlap with the mastering workshop of course. Bob Ludwig, do you have an idea about how to avoid that?</div><div class="">3. We could show the new 'PSR' standard meter that Ian, Nugen, RTW, TC and Grimm Audio intend to present at a joint poster session in New York. </div><div class="">4. Maybe Thomas has some interesting topic again? You deserve to be on stage now things are finally moving. </div><div class="">5. Possibly an update about podcasts from SC-02-12. Perhaps a bit off-topic, but it is very interesting to see that they need a lower target level (-18 LUFS on mobile) for voice only...</div><div class="">6. .... (please add proposals)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am chairing a workshop on cinema loudness already, so if someone else from MLA could take the chair position, I would be glad...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Eelco</div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">In other words, Kevin, a combined loudness workshop? Thomas has
run his "tribunal" many times in the past.... what would make it
different from the panels he's run? Someone has to chair this
workshop.</p><p class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I would plan on publishing your paper at the
European AES in 2018. We should give ourselves time to to a
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<div class="">Your presentation in Berlin was well received and I would
hope the workshop chair could find a place for it in the NY
convention as a tutorial or workshop. If we can find two other
new 30-minute loudness presentations, that would make for a
workshop. Perhaps Bob Katz or someone from his group has
something to present. It is likely the AGOTTVS group could
prepare a presentation on the state of their work. Should I
contact AGOTTVS leaders and see if this is so?</div>
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away....</p><p class="">When I know more about our meeting I'll let you all
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">And I invite you (Eelco) to read from that
preliminary paper briefly at our streaming
loudness subcommittee meeting we'll be
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<div class="">I'd love to attend your committee meeting.
Please let me know in time when that meeting
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="">Workshop? That takes a lot of preparation.
Are you game for that? Needs tons of
preparation, more even than reading a paper.
And you have to interest the workshop's
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<div class="">I have a wonderful 30 min power point that I
presented in Berlin and that needs only little
updates. I guess the US audience would like to
hear that too. But I do not know which workshop
could host this presentation since I don't know
the workshop program for this AES yet. Is there
another Loudness War session? </div>
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