<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>If there is no music loudness workshop yet, I guess we should organize one. Chances are high that by October both Tidal and Spotify, and - who knows - Apple, are using album style normalization on by default. That would really mean the end of the loudness war and we need to celebrate that I guess. Topics could be:</div><div><br></div><div>1. My Tidal research, showing why -14 LUFS and Album Normalization is the way to go for mobile (and lower levels in stationary situations of course).</div><div>2. What does the end of the loudness war mean for music mastering? Ian Shepherd could do a presentation about "mastering after the loudness war", but I am sure Bob Katz can do it too. Care should be taken that this does not overlap with the mastering workshop of course. Bob Ludwig, do you have an idea about how to avoid that?</div><div>3. We could show the new 'PSR' standard meter that Ian, Nugen, RTW, TC and Grimm Audio intend to present at a joint poster session in New York. </div><div>4. Maybe Thomas has some interesting topic again? You deserve to be on stage now things are finally moving. </div><div>5. Possibly an update about podcasts from SC-02-12. Perhaps a bit off-topic, but it is very interesting to see that they need a lower target level (-18 LUFS on mobile) for voice only...</div><div>6. .... (please add proposals)</div><div><br></div><div>I am chairing a workshop on cinema loudness already, so if someone else from MLA could take the chair position, I would be glad...</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Eelco</div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>In other words, Kevin, a combined loudness workshop? Thomas has
run his "tribunal" many times in the past.... what would make it
different from the panels he's run? Someone has to chair this
workshop.</p><p><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I would plan on publishing your paper at the
European AES in 2018. We should give ourselves time to to a
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<div>Your presentation in Berlin was well received and I would
hope the workshop chair could find a place for it in the NY
convention as a tutorial or workshop. If we can find two other
new 30-minute loudness presentations, that would make for a
workshop. Perhaps Bob Katz or someone from his group has
something to present. It is likely the AGOTTVS group could
prepare a presentation on the state of their work. Should I
contact AGOTTVS leaders and see if this is so?</div>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>Eelco, try to speak to the workshops committee right
away....</p><p>When I know more about our meeting I'll let you all
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>And I invite you (Eelco) to read from that
preliminary paper briefly at our streaming
loudness subcommittee meeting we'll be
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<div>I'd love to attend your committee meeting.
Please let me know in time when that meeting
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>Workshop? That takes a lot of preparation.
Are you game for that? Needs tons of
preparation, more even than reading a paper.
And you have to interest the workshop's
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<div>I have a wonderful 30 min power point that I
presented in Berlin and that needs only little
updates. I guess the US audience would like to
hear that too. But I do not know which workshop
could host this presentation since I don't know
the workshop program for this AES yet. Is there
another Loudness War session? </div>
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<div>All the best,</div>
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