<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Bob,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s wonderful you’ve composed the petition you’ve long dreamt of, but there’s no reason to be dramatic when getting criticism you asked for. Savour the comments instead :-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Streaming loudness really comes down to gain structure in PMPs. Do you think the average Joe would rather sign this petition or another one saying “Keep music audible on my iPod”? The current wording isn't great for communicating with Joe, so please think about that along with the references.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Personally, I also have WHO, CENELEC and Genelec to consider. Standing behind a loosely founded petition that is bound to annoy manufacturers and audiologists is not an option. Especially not as I'm trying hard to focus on R128 normalization in the new EN and IEC standards (hopefully to be adopted by ITU too). The timing would be terrible and I would be considered biased.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">kind regards,</div><div class="">Thomas</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 08/12/2015, at 05.04, Bob Katz <<a href="mailto:bobkatz@digido.com" class="">bobkatz@digido.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Guys. It's clear that we're getting nowhere fast. Ian and I have
decided to go on our own to create and promote this petition. I hope
you all will support it in your own ways and sign when it is
published. <br class="">
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I am very sorry that the MLA has decided not to permit being the
sponsor of this petition. I felt that this would give some cachet to
the MLA. I am very sorry that some of you do not believe in the
advocacy approach as much as I do --- because the time has come for
action, not theory, not education, but motivating action. <br class="">
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We've been colleagues for a long time, through thick and thin. To
any other MLA members who feel as strongly as we do and would like
to sign on to this petition initiative, please write me privately
and you are welcome to join our separate group. I hope that we will
move mountains and I hope you will cheer us on regardless of your
choice.<br class="">
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The next plan of our mini group is to present the petition language
to the ex-president and the current president of the AES. Both of
them are extremely enthusiastic about this petition, and at least
privately, I expect them to come on board. Perhaps due to their AES
position they may not wish to be official members of the advocacy
group, but at the very least they are on board with the principle,
as are many of you already.<br class="">
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By the way, I've written a 1000 word Journal article to be published
in the next Journal, if not already out. I haven't seen the Dec.
edition and I think it's in there. It's about the AES Streaming
loudness recommendations and includes a nice little kicker
suggesting that the AES itself should devote some time to its
promotion and advocacy. So even the Editor of the Journal is on
board with the idea of advocacy!<br class="">
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Eelco, Ian and I have been working very hard to make this petition
an inclusive approach. To be honest, I'm quite startled at some of
the reactions I've seen here. However, I understand some of your
wishes to maintain the MLA as an educational and informational
organization. However, you know that I have proposed a petition
numerous times and been voted down, and rightly so, because it was
not time, not yet. But now that we have streaming as a dominant
force, and a newly-minted "forever" streaming loudness war. It is
now time to take stronger measures than just education. <br class="">
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Wish us well, please,<br class="">
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Bob. <br class="">
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P.S. I'm writing this on behalf of Ian who feels the same as I do. I
am pretty sure Eelco also will go along so we can remain a group of
three, but Eelco will have to tell us directly as I have not yet
heard his feedback on this latest idea. <br class="">
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