[MLA] Fwd: iPhone limiting issue solved ? (Headphone safety)

[Bob Katz]

Yes, the setting is there, but not activated by default. I'm glad you 
made me look!


Of course the "85 dB" is ficticious.... maybe it's tied to the 
sensitivity of Apple Ear buds. But it could be VERY far off for any 
other earphone.


Bob



On 3/30/22 10:32 AM, Ian Shepherd wrote:
>
> I think the setting will be there but maybe not active by default ?
>
>
>
>> On 30 Mar 2022, at 15:17, Bob Katz <bobkatz at digido.com> wrote:
>>
>> To complicate matters, European (and UK I think) phones are subject 
>> to the Cenelec legislation, which is up for revision. So I'm not sure 
>> if this applies to U.S. phones
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/22 6:31 AM, Ian Shepherd wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I thought you might be interested to see this.
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Ian Shepherd <ian at mastering-media.co.uk>
>>>> *Subject: **iPhone limiting issue solved ? (Headphone safety)*
>>>> *Date: *30 March 2022 at 11:30:15 BST
>>>> *To: *Buddy Judge <buddy at apple.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Buddy,
>>>>
>>>> I emailed you recently about apparent limiting I was hearing & 
>>>> measuring on my iPhone when Sound Check was enabled, and I think 
>>>> I’ve got to the bottom of it. Apologies if this is something you’re 
>>>> already aware of, but it seems to be related to a setting that I 
>>>> didn’t previously know about:
>>>>
>>>> Sounds & Haptics > Headphone Safety > Reduce Loud Sounds
>>>>
>>>> In a nutshell, disabling this makes Sound Check behave as I would 
>>>> expect, ie. no limiting when enabled. It was enabled by default for 
>>>> me as a European user, and set to “85 decibels”. It seems that when 
>>>> this setting is enabled, the increase in level due to Sound Check 
>>>> is sufficient to trigger this safety limiting, resulting in 
>>>> aggressive dynamics attenuation. Specifically, the gain was reduced 
>>>> by over 4 dB on the classical piece I first noticed it with, which 
>>>> is highly audible and unfortunate.
>>>>
>>>> I realise that this behaviour isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. With 
>>>> Sound Check enabled, the music is lifted far enough to trigger the 
>>>> safety limiting. For classical you could argue that this is 
>>>> unavoidable, because of the wide dynamic range, but as I mentioned 
>>>> I’ve also heard and measured it when playing back Atmos mixes with 
>>>> Sound Check enabled, which is a much more mainstream use-case, and 
>>>> seems a shame.
>>>>
>>>> Having said all that, the main reason for this message is that in 
>>>> my testing the safety limiting is being triggered independently of 
>>>> the volume control. I’m not in the habit of listening super-loud on 
>>>> my phone, and even when I turn the playback volume way down, far 
>>>> below 85 dB even at the loudest moments, I’m hearing the aggressive 
>>>> volume reductions when Reduce Loud Sounds is enabled. In fact, I 
>>>> can hear it affecting the level simply by changing the threshold in 
>>>> settings, even with the volume only a few steps up from the minimum.
>>>>
>>>> This seems unnecessary, if its intentional. Shouldn’t the safety 
>>>> limiting be dependent on the actual playback level ? Otherwise it 
>>>> will affect the music even when the volume is low, and perhaps more 
>>>> importantly won’t necessarily protect users’ hearing when they 
>>>> choose to turn up the volume for loud music.
>>>>
>>>> Two Atmos mixes where the safety limiting kicks in when Sound Check 
>>>> is enabled are “Chandelier” by Sia and “Roar” by Katy Perry. The 
>>>> classical piece I’ve been using for testing is here:
>>>>
>>>> https://music.apple.com/gb/album/the-shepherds-carol/695609721?i=695610093
>>>>
>>>> The safety limiting is clearly audible at 1:30 to 1:40
>>>>
>>>> Again apologies if this is all something you’re already aware of!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ***
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