[MLA] ***SPAM*** Re: TIDAL & new beta site

[Bob Katz]

As was pointed out, Tidal have to retain the track loudness values in 
order to compute album normalization. So thank you very much, it is 
totally possible to add or restore track normalization....


BK



On 12/14/17 1:22 AM, Thomas Lund wrote:
> It has long been in MQA’s plans to integrate loudness normalization, 
> which should be easy to do well in a highly proprietary system.
>
> When I circulated the different streaming level-diagrams 4 years ago, 
> one of the reasons was Roon, then a sound quality oriented frontend to 
> Tidal. They were also interested in quality-conscious search criteria 
> based on PLR or Programme Loudness filtering. In case Tidal indeed 
> have discarded track data, /that/ motivating function will not come to 
> fruition now; thank you very much.
>
> br Thomas
>
>
>
>> On 14 Dec 2017, at 00.44, Grimm | Eelco <eelco at grimmaudio.com 
>> <mailto:eelco at grimmaudio.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Just some extra info: MQA on Tidal has loudness normalization (I was 
>> told - I did not test it yet).
>>
>> Plus I am cooperating with Roon Labs to forward the metadata of Tidal 
>> and the local audio files through our upcoming media player 
>> downstream to our LS1 loudspeakers so the volume setting and loudness 
>> data are merged in the DSP at the final stage before the DAC - yes 
>> that is 'norm-l'. It is all possible right now and pretty audiophile. 
>> You can even forward the metadata further downstream to a digitally 
>> controlled analog volume stage after the DAC if that's your taste.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eelco
>>
>>> Audiophiles can have anxiety about bit transparency so could shun 
>>> loudness normalization on those grounds. But MQA is not bit 
>>> transparent so that doesn't seem to be a reasonable objection in 
>>> this context. Is there some nice story we  can tell about a 
>>> symbiotic relationship between high resolution or MQA and loudness 
>>> normalization?
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2017 8:19 AM, "Robert Ludwig" <gatewaybob at mac.com 
>>> <mailto:gatewaybob at mac.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Bob K!
>>>
>>>>     I cannot justify a Tidal subscription each month so I am not
>>>>     subscribed.
>>>
>>>     But Bob K. you CAN _test out_ the TIDAL Hi-Fi/ TIDAL-Masters for
>>>     free for 30 days.
>>>
>>>     It should sound identical to the MQA site you are beta testing.
>>>     You can compare buffering algorithms when used for DSL and
>>>     less-than fast internet hook-ups.  Tidal used to work well on my
>>>     home DSL, now not as much after the last software revision. The
>>>     new beta site seemed to be better in that regard.
>>>
>>>>     But I am currently beta testing a new high resolution MQA
>>>>     streaming service that has not yet become public. The sound
>>>>     quality of the MQA on the stream made from good 2496 and higher
>>>>     resolution masters is astounding. If this service can obtain
>>>>     more high resolution masters and have a good selection, I would
>>>>     subscribe to them at $19.99 a month.
>>>
>>>     Just playing devil’s advocate:
>>>     So, being that TIDAL already HAS lots more high resolution
>>>     masters than the beta site, and the fact that they are BOTH
>>>     $19.99 a month, why favor the beta site?
>>>
>>>>     I have not yet brought up the issue of loudness normalization
>>>>     to them, as I suspect the director of the company will hit the
>>>>     roof…
>>>
>>>     I completely agree here, I would not want to be the one to bring
>>>     it up.
>>>
>>>     As a matter of curiosity, have you come across titles that do
>>>     NOT seem to benefit from MQA?  For me, I have found quite a few
>>>     pop titles and even some  classical titles where they sounded
>>>     better without clearer transients.  Just curious!
>>>
>>>     Best!
>>>     Bob L.
>>>
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